Monday, April 27, 2009

Dr. Jay Gordon Caught Making Stuff Up?

Just when I thought I wouldn't encounter better examples of the intellectual bankrupcy of anti-vaxers, comes Dr. Jay Gordon, pediatrician to Jenny McCarthy's son, with the following anecdote:
I just saw an eight-month-old boy who got two vaccines then lost his language, motor skills, reaction to his own name and responsiveness to his 3 year old sister. This all happened three hours after a DPT/HIB combination. All previous observation and video of this little boy is normal. Lots of great video of a vibrant, talkative happy baby.

He has autism now. No proof, but the temporal proximity of the regression to his vaccines is daunting to those of us who would like more rigorous proof rather than just a collection of hundreds of pieces of anecdotal evidence. Tempting to assume causation even if only this one case/child.

Just thought you'd want to know. I usually see these kids in my office months or years after the event the parents think caused the problems. I have read hundreds of emails and spoken to thousands of parents who are certain that vaccines triggered or mightily contributed to their children's autism.

Not this time: This family came to my office just days after the vaccines, distraught that he was no longer talking, smiling, acknowledging his sister or his mom and dad and was flapping his hands a lot.

(Respectful Insolence - Comment)

Don't worry. I waited for confirmation from Orac before writing this post. Some people doubted that was actually Dr. Jay, but it is. Since he posted at 00:44 Pacific, there's some speculation he might have been drunk, but who knows.

That is monumentally absurd, isn't it?

First of all, who in the hell diagnosed an 8 month old with autism? That simply can't be done. Even an 18 month diagnosis is pushing the envelope.

Then we're supposed to believe an 8 month old "lost his language" and that this was noticed in a matter of 3 hours. Typically, 8 month old babies do not talk. This is completely normal.

In so far as responding to his own name, this is possible for an 8 month old. The "name test" is supposed to be done on the baby's first birthday, however (source).

Eight month old babies have little in the way of motor skills that they could noticeably lose, unless the baby becomes paralyzed or something like that. A baby of that age can't yet walk. He should be sitting by then. In any case, loss of motor skills is unrelated to autism, and in fact should be cause to consider explanations other than autism. If it was a really obvious loss of motor skills, I'd think the baby should be rushed to a hospital, but instead the parents decided to see Dr. Jay again in 3 days.

Enjoyment of play with other children should occur around the age of 2 years.

Hand flapping is entirely normal in infants, and it seems to me that, as a pediatrician, Dr. Jay should be aware of this. Plus, in order to hand-flap, the baby needs some motor skills.

The DTP vaccine is no longer used in the US. The DTaP vaccine is what is used. It's administered at 2, 4 and 6 months of age. Same with the Hib vaccine.

So what do we have here? Did Dr. Jay make it up completely? Perhaps this is a non-event that was blown out of proportion.

Now, I wonder, was this child vaccinated by Dr. Jay? If not, why would parents take a child with the apparent symptoms noted to a doctor who is not qualified to diagnose developmental disorders, in just 3 days? Then again, is it plausible that Dr. Jay would administer 2 vaccines in one visit?

I suppose that a pediatrician who scares parents about autism and discourages vaccination could cause them to notice things that are completely normal all of the sudden.


  1. This is excellent. I will point it out to Dr. Gordon.


    Shoot. I think Dr. Jay blocked me on twitter. I guess I'll have to check by hand.

    I can still appear in the @jaygordonmdfaap stream, however.

  2. If you like, you might send the message below my signature out to your email list.


    Richard P. Milner
    Public Affairs Media, Inc.

    Do vaccines cause injury including Autism?

    Dr. Andrew Moulden says yes, absolutely, and discusses his findings in a video interview.

    A New Explanation.

    Watch our video interview as Dr. Moulden presents a new comprehensive and measureable physiological explanation of the underlying cause of vaccine injuries, including Autism.

    Moulden says the fundamental cause is our body’s reaction to the vaccines themselves.

    According to Moulden no vaccine is safe. All vaccines carry the risk of major injury.

    If we want to stop chronic disease, including Autism, says Moulden, we have to listen to the many thousands of parents who say their child was normal before receiving a vaccine, and clearly damaged after being vaccinated.

    Moulden, an MD, PhD, holds degrees in Biological Psychology, Developmental Neuro-psychology and Language Development in Children; Clinical and Cognitive Neuroscience, Neuro-electro Physiology, and Functional Brain Imaging.

    His clinical training is in Psychometric Assessment of children (MA), Clinical Neuro-psychology (PhD), and Neurology (MD clerkships) and Psychiatry (residencies in Ottawa and Toronto). His PhD comprehensive exams were on post-concussional syndrome and acquired brain injuries.

    Dr. Moulden and other critics and proponents discuss this issue in excerpted video interviews on our Website. Our goal is to inform the public as we produce an investigative documentary on vaccine and mercury safety. We invite you to visit our Website:

    Richard P. Milner
    Public Affairs Media, Inc.

  3. @Richard: Your comment borders on spam, and no, I'm not interested in sending it anywhere.

    FWIW, even some anti-vaxers, including John Best, consider Moulden a fraud.

  4. Eight month old babies have little in the way of motor skills that they could noticeably lose, ~

    Well, heck, they must have noticed a deterioration in penmanship...

  5. "FWIW, even some anti-vaxers, including John Best, consider Moulden a fraud."

    Yeh, but he had to be told that... apparenly!

    Seems he couldn't figure it out for himself.

  6. For those of you who haven't worked it out yet, Moulden is a politician trying to make money to run a campaign to achieve his political ambitions. That's the real reason why he sells stuff.

  7. This is very interesting. We life in South Africa and were we stay we do not have support our closest City is that have Autism support or schools are 1400km from us. So we made a plan. you can follow my blog. I started it today.

  8. Very nice post Joseph

  9. Southeast and main Asian pandora jewelry countries have twisted rubies for centuries, cheap pandora bracelets but research as to where, and how to find more deposits is Pandora charms spare, and production has figured out how and mining companies,” Pandora beads Giuliani says, to look at exactly the right time and place.” pandora set Farther investigation of claret formation, based on tectonic scenery, cheap pandora geochemistry, fluid inclusions and isotopic ratios, allowed discount pandora Giuliani’s lineup to remodel a new prototype for the French Institute pandora 2010 of Research for Development (IRD) and the National Scientific pandora sale Center of Research, two government-sponsored knowledge Pandora Bangles and technology research institutes that aim to aid in the sustainable cheap pandora bracelets development of developing countries. Before the collision pandora bracelets prices of the Eurasian and Indian plates, lagoons or deltas sat in the regions where marble is giant, pandora bracelets and charms he says, “and there is the brains to expect that the new pandora bracelets sale thoughts should help development of the artless capital.” discount pandora bracelets Virginie Garnier, Gaston Giuliani and Daniel Pandora necklace Ohnenstetter urban the shape to do just that. They work for the garnet cheap pandora charms genesis. While studying the bedrock in Vietnam in 1998, the discount pandora charms French players found rubies, which detained traces of aluminum, chromium pandora charms sale and vanadium from universities, international corporations, governments pandora charms 2010 and why the rubies got there, and has created a paradigm Pandora beads to help these evaporites, Garnier says, when the Eurasian cheap pandora beads and Indian plates collided, raising the Himalaya Mountains.